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Cameron's best line (?) something about it's Xmas so we're getting the "repeats".

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Very interesting comment by BuzzOff2015 re Mitchell:

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@taurusdrycider - Also the video footage suggests it was dark ...didnt all this happen in the summer months where it dosent get dark untill very very late.


As I recall the time was 19.36 hrs (?) so yes, it would most certainly have been light as it was September and before the clocks went back.

Remember also that Mitchell claims that he regularly used the main gate and that he had been in and out of Downing St that day. Wasn't there something about having been out to dinner before returning ?

It's no good, I'm going to have to do some more digging about all this - there's definitely a 'whiff' about this one.


Definitely a little Image required...


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'Something for nothing culture which got us in this mess in the first place'

Eh, nowt to do with a world wide banking crisis then?


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I enjoyed that.

The first bit was actually informative and Cameron answered the questions asked.

The second bit shows for me the clear dividing line opening up with Labour supporting the poor.

Verdicts?


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I enjoyed that.

The first bit was actually informative and Cameron answered the questions asked.

The second bit shows for me the clear dividing line opening up with Labour supporting the poor.

Verdicts?


As per last week, are we going to wait for Michael White's verdict?


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Ian Lavery (Lab) presents a suicide note from someone denied disability benefits. Dave will 'look into it'. 'Some people have been on benefits for years and not been reviewed'.

Nothing to do with the fact that they have long term, indefinite conditions that will not improve.


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Harriet Baldwin, a Conservative, says there are more people in employment than ever before.


This is not a fucking question!


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Labour MP gets booed for wishing John Bercow 'Merry Christmas'. Robert Fiello then calls Dave 'Dickensian'. Asks about reducing disability benefits for carers - Dave: 'We have put more money in'.


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Ed Davey looking very puzzled at Cameron's reply about energy & insulation. Has Dave dropped another clanger?


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Dave's turned into a CIF troll: 'Broon sold our gold'


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Oliver Colvile (Conservative) - only the second time I've seen that surname in my life and whaddaya know, he's the brother of the guy who presents Test cricket highlights on Sky.

Both are members of the MCC, Oliver was educated at Stowe and Charles Westminster, Oliver is also a member of the Institute of Directors and a director of the Enterprise Forum.

"an independent, British, not-for-profit organisation that was founded in 1997 to facilitate discussions on policy between the Business Community and the Conservative Party".

I love how that word "independent" is so freely and deviously used - they do it with the think tanks Reform and Centre for Social Justice as well.


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Labour's Tom Blenkinsop: How many times has the PM ridden with his local hunt? Did he ride his own horse or did he borrow one from a friend?


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Dave's turned into a CIF troll: 'Broon sold our gold'

Such an incredibly piss poor comment... Clearly listening to strategy advice of laughing boy


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Cameron says he has never broken the law in this regard.


Interesting last three words, Dave.


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Conservative MP calls for separation of retail and investment banks!


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Dave's bald spot is showing


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Cameron resorts to Wallace & Gromit again, I might send condom face a picture of his doppleganger , Angry Kid (which looks more like a bastard love child of himself and Becky Brooks)
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Cameron resorts to Wallace & Gromit again, I might send condom face a picture of his doppleganger , Angry Kid (which looks more like a bastard love child of himself and Becky Brooks)
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Glad I didn't have a mouthful of drink as I scrolled over that!


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I noticed that UBS were fined over LIBOR-rigging.

So that's a Japanese office of a Swiss Bank - I assume Ed Balls is to blame for this?


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Have just looked up the sunset time on September 19th, regarding the earlier comment about it looking dark on the CCTV.

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Sunset 19:04
Evening civil twilight 19:37
Evening nautical twilight 20:17
Evening astronomical twilight 20:58


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BBC have just said there are 30 police officers working on finding out who leaked the police log etc.

We were told last week that only 5 or 6 officers are working on the claims of child abuse in Operation Fairbank which is alleged to involve politicians and other public figures.

Funny that.


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Ex Guardian journalist David Hencke's Exaro News have more on one of the the Operation Fairbank investigation strands.

They say those involved with attending Elm House 'parties' include;
include a SinnFein member, a leading banker and a now dead National Front member.

Also 9 MPs: 6 Tory, inc 2 ex- cabinet ministers; 2 Lab; and 1 Lib.


No names given.


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"Patient care at risk as GPs are asked to cut services

While ministers say costs are being reduced via 'efficiency savings', GPs are being asked to cut services to patients" (Guardian)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/19/patient-care-gps-cut-services


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According to Conservative Home (link), the rise in food banks is indicative of the need to pull out of Europe (remove CAP contributions) and to start shale fracking (reduce fuel costs).


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On the basis they charge a £1,500 per annum "royalty" for every foodbank using the Trussell Trust trademark, of course they are expanding. We have gone from none to three in just nine months. However, unless you are an "on-message" Christian church you're not allowed to play. If you try and set up independently the council won't let you into the voucher scheme. A group of us tried but gave up in the end as we were getting all sorts of grief.


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Re "Plebgate" -

The police officers on duty at the time of the Mitchell incident must have known that there was CCTV footage and would, presumably, have had every expectation that this would emerge.The fact that it didn't emerge until now and, having emerged (and given where it has been kept all this time), shows footage which appears not to corroborate the account recorded in their log-book is extremely odd.To say the least.

The "witness" who wasn't a witness issue is an entirely separate matter and should be dealt with as such.


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IDS heckling from the side during pmqs, the question or rather a plea was from Ian Lavery to Cameron and a hushed house about the suicide of another ATOS victim, and he even had the actual suicide note.This was IDS measured response immediately after
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Andre Sparrow at 3.28pm:

"Turning away from "plebgate" for a moment, I'm going to plug the Guardian's Christmas charity appeal. My youngest daughter is autistic and so I'm particularly pleased that the appeal is raising money for eight charities helping people who are disabled. You can find more details about the charities, and about the appeal, here. There's also a page where you can donate here, but if you want to ring in with a donation, call on Saturday, between 10am and 6pm. The number is 0203 353 4368. I'll be one of the many Guardian journalists taking the calls (I'm on between 10am and 12pm) and, if you'd like to have a chat, do ask to be put through. We can have a moan about the nesting comments ...."


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That's Andrew Sparrow. Not Andre Sparrow, of course.


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Andrew Sparrow at 3.28pm:

"Turning away from "plebgate" for a moment, I'm going to plug the Guardian's Christmas charity appeal. My youngest daughter is autistic and so I'm particularly pleased that the appeal is raising money for eight charities helping people who are disabled. You can find more details about the charities, and about the appeal, here. There's also a page where you can donate here, but if you want to ring in with a donation, call on Saturday, between 10am and 6pm. The number is 0203 353 4368. I'll be one of the many Guardian journalists taking the calls (I'm on between 10am and 12pm) and, if you'd like to have a chat, do ask to be put through. We can have a moan about the nesting comments ...."

That's great, tbh the nesting, as crap as it is, is little more than a minor inconvenience in the grand scheme of things, a disability stays with you for life and can be heartbreakingly soul destroying, day after day. Andrew wrote this moving article about looking after his daughter afew years ago for the Telegraph, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/child ... er-do.html
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That's Andrew Sparrow. Not Andre Sparrow, of course.


It would, of course, be André Moineau.

@TobyLatimer: this images of Smith, quite repulsive.


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That's Andrew Sparrow. Not Andre Sparrow, of course.


It would, of course, be André Moineau.

@TobyLatimer: this images of Smith, quite repulsive.



Blimey.

Never expected RClayton to turn up . . . . .


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HeronsFlight wrote:
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That's Andrew Sparrow. Not Andre Sparrow, of course.


It would, of course, be André Moineau.

@TobyLatimer: this images of Smith, quite repulsive.


My God. How does IDS sleep at night, or for that matter get on his knees in church? If I were him I wouldn't be pushing my luck.

One of my beautiful granddaughters is autistic. Not severely but enough to need special schooling. We worry about what will happen to her.


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That's Andrew Sparrow. Not Andre Sparrow, of course.


It would, of course, be André Moineau.

@TobyLatimer: this images of Smith, quite repulsive.



Blimey.

Never expected RClayton to turn up . . . . .


If you want pedantry, I can do pedantry!


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My God. How does IDS sleep at night, or for that matter get on his knees in church? If I were him I wouldn't be pushing my luck.

One of my beautiful granddaughters is autistic. Not severely but enough to need special schooling. We worry about what will happen to her.


He doesn't look like someone who believes he is doing good things for the disabled but is sad that he's being misunderstood or misrepresented, does he? He just looks like a snarling animal.


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There is a recording up on the Democracy Live site of PMQ's here http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/ ... 779758.stm , the question IDS was irritated by came at 14.30 mins, to a hushed house from an emotional Ian Lavery about the suicide of a constituent who had lost his benefit, he even had the suicide letter in his hand, which makes IDS response even more odious and vile than what the pictures suggest.


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/19/eric-pickles-50-tips-councils


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/dec/19/eric-pickles-50-tips-councils


I sometimes think LardyPickles only purpose in government is to take the p**s..


Nah. Scratch beneath the layers of fat, and he's just another nasty Tory.


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"Medicine is a social science, and politics is nothing else but medicine on a large scale. Medicine, as a social science, as the science of human beings, has the obligation to point out problems and to attempt their theoretical solution: the politician, the practical anthropologist, must find the means for their actual solution... The physicians are the natural attorneys of the poor, and social problems fall to a large extent within their jurisdiction." So said the great Rudolf Virchow (1821-1902) in the mid-nineteenth century, and here is a demonstration study from England in the twenty-first century: "Conclusion Decreases in unemployment and increases in average income in an area explained, to a large extent, why some local authorities "performed" better than others. Health inequalities between Spearhead and all local authorities widened during the period of rising prosperity, but they would have widened to an even greater extent had unemployment not fallen at a faster rate in more deprived areas. With worsening economic trends over the next 10 years, this research suggests that increases in life expectancy are likely to be smaller and health inequalities may widen at a faster rate than in the previous decade. Allocating resources to local authorities on the basis of their "performance" at increasing life expectancy is likely to reward more affluent areas rather than disadvantaged areas with greater needs, exacerbating the problem."

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IDS heckling from the side during pmqs, the question or rather a plea was from Ian Lavery to Cameron and a hushed house about the suicide of another ATOS victim, and he even had the actual suicide note.This was IDS measured response immediately after
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The thing I find so repellent about IDS is the impression that he tries to develop of being entirely reasonable, when in practice he is entirely unwilling to see any other point of view other than his own extreme views. In fact not only does he not accept any alternative view he becomes obnoxious and unpleasant when faced with any rational argument. That this man is in charge of a department that requires a deal of compassion and understanding is beyond belief. It doesn't take much for his mask to slip but doesn't he just typify the whole coalition.


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Just a little reminder, as if one were needed -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-198615/Profile-Betsy-Duncan-Smith.html

Josiah Bounderby in the flesh.


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Thanks for the Sparrow/Telegraph link.

Didn't realise he had worked for the Telegraph,

What a lovely man he comes across as.


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Michael Crick has just shared the email sent by the alleged eyewitness which backed up the account in the police log, as published in the Telegraph on 25 September, one week after the incident.
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Headline from the Guardian...

Communities secretary [Pickles] urges councils to ease financial strain by cancelling awards ceremonies and opening coffee shops.

It's a good job I can still laugh.
Our council had a coffee shop.. it was costing too much in subsidies.


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Just a little reminder, as if one were needed -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-198615/Profile-Betsy-Duncan-Smith.html

Josiah Bounderby in the flesh.


Quite a fawning mini-bio there PF, i think this at least matches it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-441420/Queen-Cameroons.html :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:05 pm 
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Ohsocynical wrote:
Headline from the Guardian...

Communities secretary [Pickles] urges councils to ease financial strain by cancelling awards ceremonies and opening coffee shops.

It's a good job I can still laugh.
Our council had a coffee shop.. it was costing too much in subsidies.

Our Mayor held a reward ceremony for Rebecca Adlington after the 2008 Bejing Olympics in which he presented her with a pair of gold Jimmy Choos . Comrades - that's your money too ! Oh hang on ...
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