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Anna Sour-face Soubry, I remember her as a local news presenter for Central East in the 80's. She was so toxic even in those days that they used to put up a nuclear warning sign whenever she appeared on screen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KeFANjkFeE

There is hope Tobe, her majority is only 390!

Delusional.

Where does this guy go if he thinks things out there aren't so bad?

And this focus on North Sea oil being the main problem..... I'm no expert, but presumably that's because people are spending less on petrol and heating. And that will presumably show up in the household spend figures in the next estimate. Isn't oil actually a very good indicator of where the economy is?

Whilst we're on petrol -



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9824969/Petrol-prices-to-rise-by-4p-per-litre-in-coming-days.html

I for one would defintely say that oil is an indicator of how wealthy and comfortable you are, for most the days of filling the car up and going for a spin on the weekend have long gone, ok, that's economics at it's most basic, but it's the reality for nigh on the majority of us?

Here's a graphic showing that this recession is easily longer than ANY of the recessions from the 20th Century!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... -1930-2008

The bottom line approaching the right hand axis is for now.

By-election results

Herefordshire County - Ross on Wye West: C 695, Ind 312, Lib Dem 270. (May 2011 - Two seats Lib Dem 617, C 597, Ind 522, Ind 503, C 383, Lib Dem 368, It's Our County 97). C hold. Swing 16.7% Lib Dem to C.

Sedgemoor District - Highbridge and Burnham Marine: Lib Dem 379, C 288, Ind 253, Lab 249, Ind 68. (May 2011 - Lib Dem 782, No description 705, Ind 543, Lib Dem 528, C 516, Lib Dem 511, C 473, 471, Lab 451, 379, 351). Lib Dem hold. Swing 0.8% C to Lib Dem.

A scathing response to Soubry in the NS

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... -fat-facts

George Osbourn interviewed on BBC says our welfare bill was too high and it stopped us from investing in the infrastructure the Country needs, which we are now doing, rolls out list of stuff either started before last election or is not scheduled to start untill... if ever. I roll my eyes and think about all that legal tax avoidance and loss of money because it is sitting in off shore tax havens and would love to know how he thinks the pennies spent on welfare can possibly compare with all that.

Ooohhhh, I think I have just been reprimanded by the Head Girl.

She posted



so I replied with



Her reply ?

(my bold)

Open conversations ? Is she having a laugh ?! Page after page of comments complaining about nesting with no response equals an open conversation ?? Riiiight !

Toby as far as the Tories are concerned it has not all been for nothing, This is what they had planned all along, they have spent 13 years in oppostion planning this, They should be up in court for treson of the country,

Larry Elliott

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/econ ... failed-gdp

Dan Fucking Hodges.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100200118/forget-gdp-its-the-credit-rating-osborne-will-be-sweating-on-because-it-could-show-austerity-

I think, reading between the lines, George Osborne's distastrous handling of the economy is - guess what?

Waste of time having Danny Alexander on the Daily Politics, he never listens anyway

Well done you.

The failure to cover Burnham yesterday was an extraordinary omission that has only hardened my resolve not to read the Groan even on-line.

And even when they did eventually acknowledge the speech today it was with the moronic "death tax" label.

To be honest, I expect I will be put into pre-mod or even deleted all together.

Ah well, shit happens. I certainly won't be losing any sleep over it because being able to comment here is so much nicer

Just looked at the blog. Your posts are still there. (the mods must be having a long lunch

On Twitter

Two health regulators, the HTA_UK and HFEA , that faced the axe in NHS cuts are to be retained.

May I suggest we lobby to adopt the Osborne as the SI unit of incompetence O. True it has the same issue as the Farad in that few entities can manage a whole Osborne of incompetence but it will do.

By way of calibration I suggest.

Crash an economy by consistently ignoring reality blinded belief that you are somehow brighter than everybody else = 1 Osborne of incompetence.

Lose car keys 1 micro Osborne
Get photographed having posh meal before GDP debacle 1 milli Osborne.

Anna Soubry was just awful on Question Time last night; her lack of basic understanding of an economy was even worse than the usual Tory drivel. When she asked Bradshaw to apologise, I expected the public to cheer at that point – but they didn’t. It perhaps was a sure sign that the “Labour’s mess” line is wearing very thin.

I found it ironic that Soubry gleefully told the audience that Labour had spent so much, because as it stands, the Tories will have borrowed more than Labour did in 13 years.

This just might be my conspiracy, but I swear that QT increasingly has young Tory plants in the audience. There was a young man last year who sounded like he came fresh out of the Bullingdon club, then there was that ginger-haired women a few weeks ago; then that young man last night who chastised Labour for not offering a referendum.

Should have gone for the "souvenir defence".

Alright, maybe not for the drugs.

No details on the military back-story of the serving soldiers, interestingly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-21192064

Good afternoon.

I don't watch Question Time and feel better for not doing so. I would however like to say this:

Soubry - backing up TobyLatimer earlier, I grew up in the East Midlands and I have *never* in my life seen a TV presenter whose political sympathies were so blatantly obvious, even to a mere teenager. If you really want to see her at her loveliest, try and find Central Weekend clips on Youtube. (warning - they will also contain Nicky Campbell, and these ingredients in combination may be too much for certain constitutions).

Hislop - haven't watched HIGNFY regularly since they defenestrated Angus Deayton, and not at all since around election time, when Hislop was frankly insufferable. I buy the Eye but no longer subscribe. IMHO, 'New Coalition Academy' has barely laid a glove on this pair of dickheads and comes off as a bunch of smug people gently mocking their own, whereas Hislop's attitude to Brown is quite clearly personal and horrendously biased.

-0.3% : very much looking forward to Michael White telling another poster (as he did last time we dipped) that Osborne isn't incompetent, but is "an intelligent man doing a tough job".

And finally, Any Questions - tonight it's from Surrey and half the panel consists of Eric Pickles and Maggie Thatcher's official biographer.

Thought that would cheer you all up.

Just got in and read all the way through this thread - bloody marvellous posts, I was thanking all the way. Really glad this place and people are here. But - dear God - those GDP figures are something else. I am obviously far too much of an optimist - I had actually been hoping for better despite Osborne.

Re QT - agree with previous posters it was appalling - gets worse every week. Realised 20 mins in that Anna Soubry could have been a monster caricature played by Jennifer Saunders with sucked in cheeks and permanent shout.

And yes - letsskip - to have that followed by Neil Hamilton making jam on This Week - just too much.

Hi kb4355. Don't know if you've seen it, but you appear to have rattled the head girl. Her latest response to your last post about open conversations & nesting drew this response:

What happened to "convo"? Obv not mot du jour over at Mallory Towers.

Steve Bell over on the Guardian,the latest from davros.
Cameron Dalek"tax avoiders!we're coming for you dad!"

I see 50% of the Guardian's "Our Panel" verdict on the GDP comes from selfstyled thinktanks who think that we are on the right track "to balance the economy" and Osborne must hold firm.

Have just heard that Barry George who had been jailed but was acquitted at retrial of murdering Jill Dando has lost his high court bid for compensation.

Apparently the judge decided he was not 'innocent enough' !

Innocent enough ?? WTF ! I always believed that one was either innocent or guilty - now it seems there are degrees of innocence. Wow, perhaps one can be just a bit pregnant after all !

Does he have to pay for all the free board & lodging he got courtesy of HMP? And doubtless all the medical care for the beatings he'll have received?

Beats me how a guy wrongly locked up for 8yrs is somehow not innocent enough to be eligible for compensation.

Thanks btw for the shove into making comments here. - much more pleasant over here

Glad you came across. Totally agree with you - I have a quick glance at the other place every now & again & can't believe how far downhill it has gone recently - the head girl's responses to you today being a case in point. It comes to something when BTL at various Telegraph articles is more civilised.

New story in G on the bedroom tax. As ever - very worrying tales from real people who will be affected. http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/ ... ossibility

For an utterly absurd example of the unintended consequences of the ill thought through, simply evil policies that are the USP of this coalition - how's this?

"Back in Hartlepool, Stuart and Lorna Holden tell me there's a lot of local talk about how to beat the spare bedroom tax using the simplest of expedients: human reproduction. "My personal opinion is that if you start adding bedroom taxes on and saying, 'You're under-occupying', people are just going to occupy that space by having more kids," says Lorna.

"I've heard people saying that," says Stuart. "'We'll just have more kids then. We'll fill the bedroom.'"

"And then they get more benefit from the government because they've got more kids," says Lorna. "So what they're really doing is punishing people who are trying to work, and bring up a family, and who need that extra bit of support to make ends meet. I just don't see how it's going to work."

And those who can actually move to a smaller property might end up actually claiming more housing benefit than in their old one - because they may have to move out of social housing and into the private rental sector to find it..... AAAARGGH

The first move in the leadership game?
Boris tells Osborne to 'junk rhetoric of austerity'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jan/25/boris-johnson-criticises-osborne-austerity

Note he's critical of some of the gloomy talk coming out of the Bank of England and said the language of cuts was "not terribly useful in this sort of climate". Shame he didn't say that when Osborne was trashing the economy before the election

Head prefect warning - she who must be obeyed is active on the bedroom tax btl.

I have to own to being picky and feeling irritated by her inability to spell key words - the ones that 'affect' the meaning of the sentence.

Re: QT: I agree.

The panel was stiflingly right wing (the crowd weren't much better, but I'm afraid I expect that now from both the BBC and people living in thatSouth) and Ben Bradshaw was amazingly timid when he should have been tearing Soubry and that wretched piece of shot from Daily Fail a new one.

As a Labour councillor, it boils my piss when I see Labour MPs failing to go on the offensive in public. In my borough, we're mounting a campaign to nail the Tory lies over the cuts and to ensure that blame is put at the doorstep of the Condem coalition, so why the fuck do central office offer up such supine MPs for QT? It's one of the few occasions we get to give them the fucking they deserve, and it's generally missed...

Thankfully, the other hat I wear (other than house husband, councillor and local ne'er do well) is as the secretary to my (marginal, bell wether) CLP, so you can rest assured that I will be firing off a missive to the PLP expressing my disgust at their selecting MPs who apparently don't have the balls to get stuck in and defend the party against slurs from the Tories (ie, the rest of the panel).

IMHO, if they're not willing to put up MPs who'll go on the attack, then they might as well just turn down the chance to appear as such apologia is positively harmful and does nothing to right the numerous lies that pour out of the gobs of coalition MPs and their fanbois on the QT panel (of whom Dimblebore is one).

Rant over. On a lighter note, I'll let slip this little nugget: my missus is preparing to stand in the forthcoming election for the next Parliamentary candidate in our constituency. She's a good lefty, a dedicated trade unionist and I suspect has an excellent chance of landing the gig. If she does, then the nature of the constituency and they present Tory incumbent's slender majority is likely to see her as the next MP for the town.

I, of course, will stay at home with the cats and look after the ironing.

Afternoon all:

I think I must have had another blank moment when prospective MPs were being selected.
I hadn't realised Conservative Central Office gave short lists to local associations dictating who to select? although I know the Labour party have done it in order to get more women in Parliament.
I've just discovered our MP Philip Lee was on one of Dave's lists, which explains why he's such a rotten MP, and, as HeronsFlight so colourfully described it yesterday, is so firmly up Dave's ass only his feet are showing.

Apols for the Mail headline (I'll spare you the link) -: Dave's Davos Dinner: PM and Chancellor (and best of enemies, Boris) enjoy 'cosy' Swiss restaurant as Britain heads towards a triple-dip recession I was reminded of the menu reproduced via twitter this morning

Have you seen her comment



News by twitter coming to the Guardian real soon

Something very odd happening with the comments there today. On the politics blog where I was responding to head girl I had a comment removed (probably for telling her to add sugar to the tart in case the sourness rubbed off on her) but after I responded to that deletion, it was magically restored. I have never seen that happen before so wonder if the mods had deleted the wrong comment and reinstated it hoping nobody had noticed.

Is this the Tories 'Granita' moment ? Dave agrees to dissolve the coalition in Jan 2015, in time for the election campaign to get under way before polling day in May. Cameron knows he's failed and the country is tanked, although he and his millionaire mates are still raking it in, and Labour are now seen to be driving the agenda. So Cameron walks away and Boris gets parachuted into a safe seat, Gidiot goes back to folding towels. Johnson next PM ?

True, but it was amusing to see Neil Hamilton bagging Call me Dave and the Tory party. Right winger bitching about another right winger – great stuff.

I had seen it - that's why I owned up to feeling like a picky pedant - but to work for mainstream media and not to be able to use / spell the right word to convey the meaning properly ............. 'effects' woman, effects is the word you were looking for in that context. The "but it's the Grauniad" guff won't wear - she's got previous form I believe. Wasn't there a completely garbled comment from her that made no sense at all during the nesting fiasco?

Toby:
Two links to Boris in the excellent article in the Telegraph, about how it's now even worse than the depression in the thirties.
He's [Boris]definitely lining up for a takeover. Yet they're all out together feeding their fat, gutty faces the night before we learn just how bad things are.
I've always maintained they are in an unholy alliance to keep the power between them....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9826857 ... ssion.html

When you think of the queues of clever people there must be for jobs like hers (I presume she's on the pay-roll) it does make you wonder. If she's unpaid, I would guess (maybe unfairly) that she comes from a well-heeled background which again, makes you wonder (education-wise). But then we say that about our glorious leader and his mates.

Good point made here by my favourite sometimes blogger..

https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/294836015116455936

Ernst, good luck to the wife, if succesful i hope she takes out a right b*****d, don't know what's come over me, i'm trying to be polite with my language?

I have begun swearing so badly in the last couple of years and like you have recently thought I need to curb it.

I was never brought up to hear or use the more 'colourful' profanities, and with children to rear kept a check on my tongue, but honestly since this lot got it, I let it all hang out...Poor Mr Ohso doesn't know what to make of me.

Alexandra Swann really is an unpleasant bitch isn't she, see, my language filter has been turned off already!

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/294855281542828033

PS: Do you think dropping all the rest of the obscenities, and just screaming 'YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT' at politicians on the TV, is all right?

@PorFavor

Head Girl went to Bristol Uni I think - she mentioned it one time? Why do I remember this rubbish?? Historically it had a high proportion of private school types.

Yeah, very often, working in a pub to put it bluntly my language at times can be colourful, good job everyone knows me, i've lost count of the times i've shouted at the T.V 'oh F*** Off'

I more often than not got newsnight, and current affairs progs on,so language is a bit ripe at times, no soaps and related shite in here, must try tho to curb my language, but these days it's a hard feat!